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Offline NscaleJason

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Bowie 2300 Pump- new gears won't spin
« on: Thu July 28, 2022, 05:57:27 PM »
Thank you for this forum. I've learned a lot so far as a unknown surfer.
I had a Finn BUHS 298 that worked well until the Wisconsin engine overheated due to a lack of airflow. The replacement engine had a mounting for the PTO 90 degrees to what the old one had and attempting to convert it to a jet machine didn't mix the mulch as well as needed. Now with supply issues, I can't get a 6:1 gear reducer to spin the agitator. So onto the online market place and I found a local used Turfmaker 550 machine with a Bowie 2300 series pump. There was no gaskets left in it and the owner stated he'd already replaced the rubber gears once since he bought it.

So I ordered everything new except for the end plates for the pump. I added the end wear plates that were not found in the existing set up. Putting this thing back together, I'm unable to spin the buna-n gears by hand once I place both of them into the housing. I have only the front plate on at this time.  I've oiled the gears with some gear oil and tried some WD-40.

Are they supposed to be so tight you can't spin them when everything is brand new or should I get some movement, either by hand, by attaching the pulley and spinning that, or should I chance trying to spin the output shaft with a pipe wrench? The supplier I ordered them through hasn't called me back yet and I have a little loll in my work so I'm trying to get this project completed.

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Re: Bowie 2300 Pump- new gears won't spin
« Reply #1 on: Fri July 29, 2022, 10:11:38 AM »
It is always nice to be the bearer of good news.   Relax.  That is normal.  You will never turn the shaft by hand or even with a usual pipe wrench.  We use about a 3 foot pipe wrench when we need to turn one. 

About your attempt to use one for a jet machine.  Bowie pumps are terrific pumps, but they don't have a lot of flow and don't work well for a jet machine.

If you have questions and whoever you bought from doesn't get back to you, Customer service at Bowie is excellent so you could call them or Ed Dugan from North East Bowie sales is a great guy and very helpful and I am sure he would be happy to help. 
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Re: Bowie 2300 Pump- new gears won't spin
« Reply #2 on: Mon August 01, 2022, 08:00:36 PM »
Thank you for the response and help.
I was concerned with pump assembly instructions:
Turn drive shaft to ensure proper meshing of gears and acceptable clearances between the gears and plates. Adding or removing housing gaskets between housing and either end plate or optional hardened wear plate will adjust clearances.
or different set of instructions:
Turn the gears several turns with the drive shaft to seat the gears in place. When the gears are turning smoothly tighten bolts numbers 3&4 on both the front and back plates. Turn the gears several turns with the drive shaft to assure smooth operation. If the gears turn smoothly then continue to tighten the bolts in sequence as shown in the diagram to 22-25 ft. lbs. Otherwise loosen the bolts and repeat steps 5 & 7.

I wasn't able to turn the drive shaft even with everything loose and I didn't want to get everything installed on the machine only to find out the motor won't have enough torque to spin the new gears.

As for the jet machine attempt. That machine has an old Morris centrifuge pump on it. It had plenty of flow, but my nozzle was maybe too large, 2", to provide a "bale buster" effect. Even with breaking the bales up, it didn't mix well with my side nozzles.

I have called your office, Turboguy and I found the information I was given very very helpful. I would have bought one of your HE machines but the lack of trailer availability was the largest hang up. That and this other machine became available nearby. It's apples to oranges with the setup and sizes between the machines, but the one I have now was close, cheap, and available.

One thing that I know I wished I had seen on your site is the distance between the loading platform and the chute to the tank for the different setups. It appears to me that its just a little further than an easy distance to the chute, like you'd have to kneel and bend over to load bales into the hatch, or "toss" the bale into the chute. Like a funnel or containing slide would be needed/helpful to have to keep employees from standing on top of the tank and provide easy loading.  It's probably not that way, but I was unable to find a photo or video (other than 300/400 gallon tank) of your machine being loaded in order to gain a better understanding of it myself.

Actually, unless I'm removing the plastic from the bales incorrectly, I'd think a larger funnel "catch all" chute would be helpful on all brands in making sure the mulch goes into the tank without large amounts of cleanup or without having to try and place the bale into the chute and then removing the plastic wrapping and not dropping the plastic into the tank with the bale.

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Re: Bowie 2300 Pump- new gears won't spin
« Reply #3 on: Tue August 02, 2022, 11:39:11 AM »
I am glad we were helpful when you called our office.  We have always tried to help anyone in any way we can.  I have not worked personally with the Bowie pumps as much as with the centrifugal pumps we use but I have worked with them enough to know most of what I need to know.  The do turn hard so I would not worry about that.  I don't think it will be an issue for you. 

Trailers have been a big issue for us.  I do think we are on the verge of getting that problem solved.  Prior to Covid we were getting our custom trailers from two companies based in Indiana.  One we had worked with on and off, but mostly on, for 15 years.  Both companies went out of business during the Covid outbreak.  Demand was so high and supply chain issues primarily with trailer axles coupled with strong demand made it quite hard to find a trailer company who wanted new business.  We do have a new supplier and our first load of trailers are about ready now and we will be ordering more once we make sure these are ok.   I probably don't see us being totally caught up on pull type units this year but by next spring we hope to have all the issues with trailer models behind us. 

As for loading.  With the 400 and 500 gallon tanks you generally load from the side and the loading chute is offset so it isn't a long reach, and it does tend to act like a funnel.  With the 750 and 1000 the tanks have a center hole, and they are a little harder to load but typically is not too hard.  One of these days we will be switching to a new tank on the 750's. It will have the offset chute and look much different.  The mold is done for the 750 and sitting at the molder's place but we need to change some things on the skid design and order the tanks to be molded.   I don't see this happening before Spring.  Things are just very busy right now.   At some point we will be doing a 1,000 gallon with a similar design. 

One of the issues with trying to get the fill opening closer to the front is that you need to strap the tank down and so logically the loading area needs to be between the straps.

This has been a really challenging year with supply chain issues and inflation as well.  We have engines that have been on order since October of last year that we still have not received.  So, 10 months with no real word of when they are coming makes it hard to quote delivery times.  Hopefully things will get back to normal one of these days soon. 

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